tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2315629333109868789.post6211413312929106694..comments2024-03-17T22:59:24.273+00:00Comments on Peter Household - things that have interested me: Against preserving the human speciesPeter Householdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04537256881744236389noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2315629333109868789.post-14819329742859394752017-07-11T15:41:45.374+01:002017-07-11T15:41:45.374+01:00Hi Peter,
Thought provoking blog. I disagree with...Hi Peter,<br /><br />Thought provoking blog. I disagree with a few points however:<br /><br />First, you mention that "Preserving the human species isn't one of them".<br />What better reason can there be? There is no better motivator than being told your life depends on it!<br /><br />Secondly, you ask if we spoil this planet how can we claim we deserve to survive as a species (You learn to clean up your own mess as a child)?<br />If as a child you break a cup making tea. Do you give up making tea? I made a number of mistakes when first learning to drive but practice makes perfect. This is the first planet we have tried to protect so its expected we will make a few mistakes!! Some of these mistakes are reversible (got the bumper fixed on the car) or irreversible (had to dump the cup). I hope the mistakes that are being made in relation to the planet are reversible. If not it is more critical to find another world. Also, I think that if we develop and understand how to terraform other worlds it should help reverse some of the issues we have caused on our home world.<br /><br />Thirdly, you state that "The right to survive is earnt, not assumed".<br />True, this is earned by the pioneers that risk their lives venturing out to other worlds at risks that are not fully understood. It is also earned by the people who develop and make the technological breakthroughs that are needed to colonise new worlds.<br /><br />Finally, I would like to say that although I agree that humanity should try to colonise Mars and beyond I do not think we should look at this as a reason to ignore the problems we have on the only place we can survive. Same way as putting on a seatbelt or having a functioning air bag is not the best way to prevent being killed in a car crash. Best prevention is to avoid crashing in the first place. It is useful to have a plan B. But I think the first goal is to protect plan A (earth) while working on the plan B's.<br /><br />Look forward to seeing you at the first meeting in September.<br /><br />Kevin MKevin Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2315629333109868789.post-27927681948521036322010-07-26T20:37:10.063+01:002010-07-26T20:37:10.063+01:00My point is that "deserving to survive as a s...My point is that "deserving to survive as a species" (as opposed to deciding who from that species deserves to survive) is meaningless. Unless you're advocating the idea of some kind of karmic justice the universe doesn't understand the word "deserving" any further than if you survived you "deserved" to (ie had the best design to). As individuals our strongest instinct bar none is to survive, so probably we take this on at a collective level too. Given that, who's going to say "Actually we don't really deserve to survive as a species, let's throw the towel in and give the cockroaches their chance at running things"?<br /><br />On your second point I'd agree with some of it in an ideal world,(although how abolishing the tobacco industry/McDonalds and equalising the pay of skilled and unskilled workers would help I'm not sure, though I expect your tongue was in your cheek when you wrote that bit) but we don't live in a ideal world, which is the point. NASA's annual budget is $18bn, which is a colossal sum by anyone's standards. If your family doesn't have enough to eat you don't go out and spend a fortune on a firework display.....Nogginnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2315629333109868789.post-72018242035265608602010-07-24T23:25:19.923+01:002010-07-24T23:25:19.923+01:00Yes Noggin but there's more to life than Darwi...Yes Noggin but there's more to life than Darwinism. No other species can say this. But we can. We, uniquely amongst living things, can choose to ask the question : who deserves to survive? <br /><br />As to your contention that we should stop looking outwards till we can feed, clothe and look after everyone here, this is a seductive argument. But I say lets make a list of harmful, useless, or frivolous activities. The most costly go at the top of the list. Then lets start crossing activities off from the top and work down. So first we stop making nuclear weapons, then we abolish the arms trade generally, then we abolish the tobacco industry, then we abolish McDonalds, then we dispossess the rich, then we pay bankers the same as cleaners, and THEN AND ONLY THEN if we still haven’t got everyone fed and clothed and free of malaria, then we abolish space exploration. Which by the way costs a tiny faction of what's spent on arms. Though I wish I had trustworthy figures to back this up.Peter Householdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537256881744236389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2315629333109868789.post-90205477563155488312010-07-17T19:58:19.351+01:002010-07-17T19:58:19.351+01:00Thought-provoking stuff, but may I disagree on a c...Thought-provoking stuff, but may I disagree on a couple of things? I'm only broadly familiar with Darwinism, but as I understand it it asserts that the species which have survived and will survive are those which adapt best to do so - there's no moral high ground, nature is indifferent (unless there's some kind of Higher Power at work) so it's a circular argument - if you survived then you deserved to do so. Secondly, I'd argue that until we can feed, clothe and look after every man, woman and child on the planet we should stop looking outwards and turn our attention to our own planet. What do you think?Nogginnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2315629333109868789.post-91780766140085247702010-06-08T23:46:41.731+01:002010-06-08T23:46:41.731+01:00Your paragraph starting "Secondly, it's n...Your paragraph starting "Secondly, it's not self-evident that the survival of the human species is a worthwhile goal..." is a very thoughtful view, as is the later point about human 'civilisation' being what is threatened, not the human race, and how the poor would be disproportionately affected.Albert Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03708757273029319375noreply@blogger.com